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Old 06-21-2010, 03:24 PM
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On my drive to work this morning, I was contemplating Daheshism. Out of the blue I had two phrases jump to the forefront of my thoughts. It puzzled me that these two thoughts seemed so profound and dominated my consciousness. The first was, "Man is deprived of nothing he does not deprive himself". The second was, "The laws of science have been rewritten". I have my own interpretation of what these could mean. But I would be most interested in having someone else's opinion.

I'd like other opinions as a sanity check. If I were schizophrenic, I might have thought I was hearing voices. I might have read these things somewhere, but no passage or source comes to mind.

This past weekend, an acquaintance, a retired neurosurgeon was visiting. We spent some time contemplating the mysteries of the Universe. He is a person that I would classify as an agnostic. He would like to believe in God, but would not unless he saw concrete evidence that a higher power exists. I was trying to think whether there was something I could say to him that would encourage him to change his position. That is when these two thoughts came to me. But I doubt my uttering these words would do anything to change his mind.

But then, maybe I am wrong. What is said, is unimportant. What is important is, what is heard.
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Old 06-21-2010, 06:24 PM
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I can speak with certainty that your sanity is in check

To me, little word snippets like that are kind of encapsulations and summations of much larger issues in our heads (or streams of consciousness if you will) that are looking for a voice. They are the tabs (like on a keyboard) that have a whoooooole serious of words, ideas and concepts associated with them, should we dig deeper.

I believe this is how great ideas sometime start. I think as humans, we are always searching for something... whether we are consciously aware or not. Answers always abound; the question is, as you already sort of said; can we HEAR them...

I have enjoyed reading yours' and Mario's dialogues here... there is much insight in what you have discussed...I think this is a continuation of that.

Richard Bach (of Jonathan Livingston Seagull fame) wrote a fluffy little book called "Illusions... the adventures of a reluctant Messiah" many, many years ago. I read that he wrote the book, because he had all these little paraphrased pieces of "insight" that he didn't know what to do with and wanted to string them all together in to something meaningful.

Without going in to the story of the book... there were succinct phrases in the story that stick in my head to this day... One that comes to mind, which "Man is deprived of nothing he does not deprive himself" reminded me of is "Argue for your limitations, and sure enough they're yours..."

Another one from the book that I have reminded myself of over the years is "We teach best what we most need to learn..."

Your mind is percolating... and to me that is all an extension (or maybe "pre-extension) of where you are going on your journey.
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Another one from the book that I have reminded myself of over the years is "We teach best what we most need to learn..."
I believe this deeply. If one ever wanted to master something, tackle the task of teaching it. I have experienced this first hand. Although the concept did not occur to me at the onset of tackling the job of teaching, I was always amazed how much I had learned at the end of the task. And I am not talking simply of the core subject, but the many things, communicative skills, proficiency at the instructional material and the transfer of information and inspiration, building maturity, improvement of interpersonal skills that accompany the core task of teaching a subject, a philosophy, or a belief.

Some of the most remarkable people I have ever known were teachers. Some these teachers were story tellers. In some, the most effective teachers performed in a theatrical manner. Others developed a way to convey enthusiasm and stimulate interest. Some projected respect first for the material, student and the process. What remarkable skills these people had developed.

Communicative skills are enhanced. In the early stages of my life, I was so ineffective at so many things. Only when I finally learned enough to be valued as a teacher did my life really begin. The sad thing though, was that too often I was afraid and discouraged at the prospect of being responsible for enhancing the lives, the performance, and the morals of others.

I strongly belief we are at the pinnacle of life when we have to courage to lead. Many great leaders were experts at failure. Every failure can be a revelation. But failure increases our the depth of our understanding, magnification of our humility, our ability to bare pain, and eventually develops great courage.

This experiment of Daheshville is such an opportunity. I feel emboldened with every thoughtful post whether by myself or someone else. I will be truly thrilled when others develop the courage to join us. It will happen and maybe sooner then we think.
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Old 06-27-2010, 05:30 PM
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I actually enjoy the somewhat double meaning of "We teach best..."

For me it also contains a meaning of cultivating our own temperance toward others... How often has any one of us criticized another in either anger or in one of our somewhat "lesser" moments? And as we "lecture" another on how to be... ahhh, maybe WE best listen to that lecture... hence the phrase...

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I believe this deeply. If one ever wanted to master something, tackle the task of teaching it. I have experienced this first hand. Although the concept did not occur to me at the onset of tackling the job of teaching, I was always amazed how much I had learned at the end of the task. And I am not talking simply of the core subject, but the many things, communicative skills, proficiency at the instructional material and the transfer of information and inspiration, building maturity, improvement of interpersonal skills that accompany the core task of teaching a subject, a philosophy, or a belief.

Some of the most remarkable people I have ever known were teachers. Some these teachers were story tellers. In some, the most effective teachers performed in a theatrical manner. Others developed a way to convey enthusiasm and stimulate interest. Some projected respect first for the material, student and the process. What remarkable skills these people had developed.

Communicative skills are enhanced. In the early stages of my life, I was so ineffective at so many things. Only when I finally learned enough to be valued as a teacher did my life really begin. The sad thing though, was that too often I was afraid and discouraged at the prospect of being responsible for enhancing the lives, the performance, and the morals of others.

I strongly belief we are at the pinnacle of life when we have to courage to lead. Many great leaders were experts at failure. Every failure can be a revelation. But failure increases our the depth of our understanding, magnification of our humility, our ability to bare pain, and eventually develops great courage.

This experiment of Daheshville is such an opportunity. I feel emboldened with every thoughtful post whether by myself or someone else. I will be truly thrilled when others develop the courage to join us. It will happen and maybe sooner then we think.
Yes, and by the standards that matter, Daheshville has been a tremendous success in those regards. It has been an arena for thought, for information... and for its participants; a great avenue to practice where, who and what we are. The culmination of all these things I think has at the very least enhanced each of us in some way.
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Old 06-27-2010, 11:34 PM
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Yes, and by the standards that matter, Daheshville has been a tremendous success in those regards. It has been an arena for thought, for information... and for its participants; a great avenue to practice where, who and what we are. The culmination of all these things I think has at the very least enhanced each of us in some way.
It is interesting to me how useful open minded debate is as a teacher. If one only wants to prove a point, it is not a debate. The question is as useful as the assertion.

The question helps to enable understanding and clarification of differences. Knowing what our differences are enable us to close the gaps.

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