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Old 02-12-2009, 01:51 AM
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12-06-2015, Update: Please check out this post: "A Summary of Daheshism" http://www.daheshville.com/forum/sho...=6005#post6005


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KINDLY NOTE: THIS ARTICLE HAS BEEN UPDATED. PLEASE REFER TO THIS IMPORTANT REVISION COVERING THE ISSUE OF "SPIRIT" and "SOUL".

I am writing this on the heels of the discussion we recently had about Spiritual Fluids. And so I went back to Loutfi Radwaan's book: "Miracles and Prodigies of Doctor Dahesh as Told by the Reporter Loutfi Radwan" (Chapter Title: "The Spiritual Fluid, A Scientific Understanding")

This book was published on JULY 16, 1979.
The copy I have was a gift from Doctor Dahesh.

Before I share with all of you this passage drawn from Loutfi Radwaan's book, it might be worthwhile to point out that, in the final analysis, understanding what Fluids are is akin to understanding the characteristics of atoms, or particles.

Let me give you an example: A block of wood is in the final analysis nothing but empty space and the particles that make it up are not really"solid" (as we understand the meaning of the adjective "solid" to be), but they are —rather—made of energy.

And when it comes to defining what energy is, we cannot describe it in terms of a shape (outline) or form (physical structure), or weight... just as as we would when defining a block of wood, or a chair — both of which are the end-result of that amalgam of particles, which "got together" and formed molecules, and so on and so forth, thus building the final "image" (or "projection" if you will) of that block of wood or chair.
Pssst! If what you just read made you yawn and you were suddenly overtaken with the need to sleep, then this is where we say "Good Night!"
The reason I am saying all this is because, want it or not, we cannot — in my opinion — truly fathom what Fluids are.

In other words, if we cannot force our brains to ponder the nature of the sub-particle world, how can we expect to begin to be able to grasp the true essence of Spiritual Fluids (assuming we can in the first place) ?

The good news is, and for those who despise physics, one can have an "intuitive notion" about them. And that's OK.
After all, being a genius in Physics is not a guarantee for Spiritual Enlightenment.

That being said, we can use metaphors, analogies, and simplified models in the process. In the case of models, dare I assume we've all seen the classic Atomic structure represented with Styrofoam ® (it IS a brand!) balls? By the same token, we can represent a complex building— in which we happen to be reading the "YOU ARE HERE" — as a simplified map.

Personally, I don't think anyone can escape having to read up on Nuclear Physics (and ponder these concepts for years) in order to begin to feel comfortable with the notion that (for example) Gravity, like Magnetism and all the other forces that weave our Universe are, in essence Spiritual Fluids. And in the final analysis, sub, sub, sub..... particles of the sub...sub...sub... particles. And that, at the end of the day, we will never understand how it all works.

Please, don't shoot the messenger!

Doctor Dahesh implied that in his writings.

If such is the case, then what good does learning bring us if "the" mystery will never—ever— be fully understood?

Perhaps —in such cases— learning should be about how a person can be potentially transformed versus reaching the finish line.

That being said, I'll now distill for you what Loutfi Radwaan understood from what was written as far as the Daheshist Principles — as proclaimed by Doctor Dahesh from the start, and later adopted by thousands of his educated followers :

"Man" is made up of a body, a soul, and a spirit.

Incidentally, in Arabic, "Soul" and "Spirit" are interchangeable.
(Radwaan, who also interviewed Dr. Brax, did not make a distinction between the two by either using (in Arabic): "نفس" versus "روح" which, again, are used interchangeably in Arabic.)
OK, so "Man" is made of a body (singular), a soul — which is the "ensemble" or aggregate of his fluids(plural), and a Spirit.

Remember the antidote to insomnia (my preamble) above?
Good, because we're about to add a slightly higher level of difficulty:

The (human) body itself is made up of fluids — formal, generic fluids found in "nature" (which, is also made of fluids...)
Let's use some analogies: Imagine a honey comb. The honey the bees produces varies in taste based on what flowers they eat from. However, they all make the same kind of wax.

Or, imagine two computers using the same parts, yet, are different in the sense that they are run by two different operating systems. Think "Software" versus "Hardware." Better yet, imagine all the computers of the world use the same type of metal frame...
Hence, in the Universe, there exists generic building blocks in the same fashion we have generic bricks and mortar that can either go into the construction of a palace or electrical room.

Enter the SPIRITUAL fluids (a step above the GENERIC fluids), and these are (technically speaking) the SOFTWARE that makeup the essence of the human self.

As for the SPIRIT, ah... well, it is a Divine and Pure essence that is not bound by the natural laws, and resides in the community (or society) of SPIRITS.

Hence:

"THE SPIRIT is located in the community of Spirits which was created by the "CREATIVE FORCE (I am translating verbatim) THAT IS GOD ALMIGHTY" before time or space ever existed.

And the Spirits are the ORIGIN of ALL OF CREATION, and (it says here) THE MOTHERS OF ALL THE BEINGS.

From these "MOTHERS," — or "Mother-Spirits" — the FLUIDS are dispatched (or sprung)and these Fluids in turn make up (or form) the beings varying in levels according to "DIVINE WISDOM and COSMIC LAWS" , and to THEM (shall) return (the Fluids) after the FLUIDS have reached the height of their elevation and purification.
Now, a small parenthesis: Apparently, "Miracles" are the only tangible, immediate, unequivocal "proof" of the SPIRIT REALM and (of course) Spiritual Fluids. And we're not talking about scientific proof in the strictest academic sense of the term. When I use "proof" in the context of MIRACLES, I am thinking more in terms of "Faith being reinforced" ... although that could also apply to scientific experiments... so... how about "having a gut feeling this is real..." )
Otherwise, the only "proof" of the existence of the Spiritual Fluids are... well their effect. For example, a particular Spiritual Fluid inside an individual causes him to act in a way that hurts another person.

We cannot see the Spiritual Fluid. Nor feel IT. But we can feel its affect.
As indicated before, only the HIGHER SPIRITUAL FLUIDS can (I suppose) "order" the other "Fluids" to (for example) restructure a particular molecular structure of an object.

And NO one, NO man NOR Woman (as far as Daheshist Doctrine) is a vessel for such a HIGHER LEVEL OF SPIRITUAL FLUIDS except those chosen by the Divine WILL to be such vessels: The PROPHETS.
Now, the plot thickens: The Spiritual Fluids that "thrive" in EVERY "MAN" are broken down into three categories: Spiritual, Material, and Inferior in their tendencies.

Did I mention "EVERY MAN" has these ?

And "relative equilibrium" (meaning, I suppose, that one should not compare him or herself to others, but to one-self) CAN only be achieved when the Fluids that have a Spiritual (lofty) tendency are able to dominate the other two.

OK, so to recap: We have "Generic Fluids and Spiritual Fluids".
And the "Spiritual Fluids" are broken down into three types:

Spiritual ( as in "lofty") in their tendencies.
Material in their tendencies.
Lowly in their tendencies.

Now, The Spiritual Fluids that have a tendency towards loftiness, are the ONLY ones that are allowed to leave the Earth towards a loftier world.

Whereas the Fluids with Material Tendencies shall remain within the ATTRACTION of the EARTH.

As for the Fluids with Lowly tendencies — and by "virtue" of their wickedness and being rotten — they will be subject to the Attraction of the INFERNAL WORLDS.

Not that, on Earth, we do not have isolated pockets that can be categorized as being "Infernal"... But, let's just think about how much worse a WHOLE world of HELLISH living can be like...And, I am not just talking about losing the TV's remote control... which we sometimes need to resort to, in order to turn off the TV News...
And every SPIRIT is a TRUE MOTHER (Mother-Spirit) to a group of Beings that are linked to IT via INVISIBLE BEAMS (or RAYS), and IT (the MOTHER-Spirit) rises and falls (in terms of HER spiritual rank) in accordance with the rise and fall of the Beings connected to it (or SHE had ... technically "created")

Then Loutfy Radwaan explains that he heard from Doctor Dahesh that every FLUID will be judged according to his actions — may they be good or evil. In either case, Reward or Punishment may come TO HIM sooner or later in the current life in or ANOTHER LIFE ( It COULD BE PASSED ON to a SON or GRANDSON) or that Spiritual Fluid could literally receive its due in some other materialization.

Radwaan continues by writing that one of the brightest and clearest truths that the Daheshist Spiritual Sessions have revealed is that there doesn't exist ONE ORB, may it be a planet or a star, that does not house LIFE and BEINGS whose makeup extends from that planet's or star's elements.

And "MAN" does not have the necessary senses to detect them, for their vibrations far exceed his range (on BOTH the high and low end).

The BILLIONS of STARS and PLANETS are broken down into 150 LOFTY SPIRITUAL LEVELS and 150 LOWLY levels.

The upper levels make up the WORLDS OF PARADISE (or Paradisaical Worlds) and the lower levels, the INFERNAL WORLDS.

And EVERY Higher or Lower level encompasses MILLIONS of MATERIAL ORBS, each containing it own LAWS, CLIMATE and INHABITANTS.

EARTH, on the SCALE OF THE COSMIC CIVILIZATIONS is situated exactly BETWEEN the upper worlds and lower ones.

No space ship or rocket can lead us to the whatever GLORY awaits us in the UPPER worlds. Only an inner spiritual rising will allow the FLUID, after departing from MAN, to materialize in the UPPER WORLD it merits materializing in.

On the other hand, if MAN lowers himself and clings to all that worldly, well, then MAN puts HIMSELF in the field of attraction of the LOWER WORLDS and his FLUIDS will MATERIALIZE there —after they depart from him — on a Planet filled with Ignorance and Darkness, and Wickedness, and where untold misery and hardship are rampant, and that is according to the DIVINE COSMIC LAWS.
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Correction to the above :

From these "MOTHERS," the FLUIDS are dispatched (or sprung)and these Fluids in turn make up (or form) the beings varying in levels according to "DIVINE WISDOM and COSMIC LAWS" , and to THEM (shall) return (the Fluids) after the FLUIDS have reached the height of their elevation and purification.
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Mario, it is a shame you were not granted the direction to pursue a career as an instructor. You are indeed a brave and capable individual to tackle this topic and interpret Arabic writings on such a subject. I find that time and resource restrictions limit full explanation and understanding. And I believe that you may have reached an understanding of fluids. But teaching others the meaning of something is always far more difficult than understanding it.

After reading this, I no more understood the precise construction of a fluid nor how it worked than I understood existence without time or space. But I was inspired to open my mind to consider the complexity of "Fluids" and how they might operate. The breakdown or categorization into three categories: Spiritual, Material, and Inferior gave me greater inspiration. Science and medicine has studied genes and the influences they exert on the development of the human body and nervous system. They are defined as instructions that cause an organism to develop in a specific manner.

What science seems to know about genes makes human physical growth seem a mechanical process. As a younger person, decades ago, I found knowledge of genes were mostly theoretical. Maybe genes are the influence to the material fluids. Although some genes can cause mental retardation, physical handicaps, and even great physical and mental potential. But when there is great potential, there is no guarantee that potential will ever be reached. And yet when retardation and physical handicaps are produced, there is no guarantee that the person will amount to a useless blob.

Possibly, this is where the spiritual and inferior fluids come into play. Had Dr Dahesh been born fifty years later, maybe he would have defined fluids in far more precise language. Good or base forces, much like electrical forces, can not be seen or touched. But we do feel and can witness the effects. The question is will man on Earth one day be able to be able to measure these forces? Is there a growth in human spiritual potential happening? The speed of knowledge acquisition does appear to be increasing. With scientific understanding comes an awareness of good and evil and the influences of both.
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After reading this, I no more understood the precise construction of a fluid nor how it worked than I understood existence without time or space. But I was inspired to open my mind to consider the complexity of "Fluids" and how they might operate.
Firstly, thank you Ron. Indeed, I have reached an understanding of Fluids... a deeply intuitive level (whatever that may be) that—for what it's worth—only I can understand. It has been a long road and there much that lies ahead (for me) in terms of learning — unlearning even.

I just needed to say that.

Secondly, I love teaching. Period. And thank you. When you tell me that whatever I presented you with "inspired to open" your "mind to consider the complexity of 'Fluids' and how they may operate" ... what more can anyone ask for?

Incidentally, you brought up "time and space." Bingo. It's all tied together. In essence, and here is a mind bender for you: imagine that every "instance" or possibility ... or scenario that could have happened, or is waiting to happen .. already exists (keeping in mind that time is an illusion in of itself, a by-product of the interaction between energy and space... or ... is it that space is a by-product of the interaction between time and energy... beats me...) In any case, and back to the mind-bender, if we have free will, then (theoretically) "GOD" should not be able to "Prophecy" the "Future". In other words, how can Man have free will if the Creative Force already knows what lies ahead?

Yet, (and speaking for myself), I believe I must keep trying to alter my future for the better, based upon my behavior, all the while believing that there are certain things out of my control. In other words, I do believe in that Free Will and Fate co-exist ... somehow...

And let's take this notion of "Causality".

By definition, causality goes against everything Quantum Physics shows us to be the "reality" at the tiniest of levels. In other words, when I take a ball and throw it a wall, I don't think in terms of probability that the ball might leave my hand and ram the wall. And in the world I live in, time has an arrow...

So, causality is fine and dandy up to the point we begin asking the hard(er) questions (pertaining to how the physical world we percieve — which is an expression of a higher realm — is the theater where Divine Justice is carried out) whose answers test our faith...

For example: A tyrant massacres his people, dies, then reincarnates as a people who gets massacred... by the tyrant who was ... the people that was ... massacred...

But why did Tyrant #1 massacre the people in the first place?

"Because the people merited to be massacred!" (based upon their former lives. In other words, all these spiritual fluids merited to be incarnated under the reign of a tyrant who — albeit could have opted not to do so — went ahead and massacred them anyway)

But, if he massacred them because they merited to be massacred, then wasn't the tyrant fulfilling some sort of "Justice?" And, if anyone intervenes and stops the massacre, doesn't that constitute an affront to Divine Justice? (Just humor me and play along... )

And had that Tyrant resisted the temptation (that spiritual fluid that was gnawing at him) to massacre the people in the first place, then (and being that the principle of causality always applies) wouldn't that have meant that something else would have had to befall the people?

So, in essence, everything that happens is certainly the result of something else. But we might never find the origin of that "first" instance that caused tyrant #1 to want to massacre those people in the first place... which then led to him being incarnated into a people who gets massacred... and so on and so forth...

In other words, and leading up to that first massacre, might he not have been tortured by a couple of criminals in another "dimension"? (And that these two criminals ended up returning as a whole nation etc. )

Bottom line, and I'll leave you with this last thought: this rite of passage (the process of thinking about all this stuff, which can be deeply troubling, especially when a clear answer might never be found ) should (in theory) lead one to a state of total surrender to God Almighty and result in inner peace.

And, (again, in theory) that's when Man would cease to search for the meaning of his life. He'll know what that is... Yet, and for the life of him, he'll never be able to explain it to others!
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But when there is great potential, there is no guarantee that potential will ever be reached. And yet when retardation and physical handicaps are produced, there is no guarantee that the person will amount to a useless blob. Possibly, this is where the spiritual and inferior fluids come into play.
Beautifully put! And — if I may — one direct consequence of what you are saying is this: a person should resist the temptation (if present) of looking at his or her neighbor and wonder "why them and not me?"

Without Divine intervention revealing the hidden truth, we will never know why anyone of us is in the (seemingly) envious (or not) situation...

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Had Dr Dahesh been born fifty years later, maybe he would have defined fluids in far more precise language. Good or base forces, much like electrical forces, can not be seen or touched. But we do feel and can witness the effects. The question is will man on Earth one day be able to be able to measure these forces? Is there a growth in human spiritual potential happening? The speed of knowledge acquisition does appear to be increasing. With scientific understanding comes an awareness of good and evil and the influences of both.
Personally, I think that regardless of how advanced we become as a society, and no matter what we are able to discover and measure, evil will try to grow.

Doctor Dahesh (and I believe I mentioned this already...) used to say (something to the effect of) that Man was a being with a propensity to take even the greatest things for granted. Case in point (and here I am paraphrasing the Doctor) "If GOD ALMIGHTY HIMSELF decided to come down from the HEAVENS to sip tea with Humans on a regular basis — and while the first few instances of this event might surely amaze them — sooner or later, they would be so used to the idea of GOD HIMSELF sitting down and sipping tea with them that would just say 'oh, look, God's coming over for some tea'..."
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I recently reviewed what Hussein posted in the "LECTURE HALL" in the section called "The Daheshist Teachings — Dr. Ghazi Brax."

It would seem that what I wrote above in regard to "Soul" and "Spirit" might be in conflict with what Brax has written.

Let me first (self)quote (and I've highlighted the section in question):

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That being said, I'll now distillate for you what what Loutfi Radwaan understood from what was written as far as the Daheshist Principles — as proclaimed by Doctor Dahesh from the start, and later adopted by thousands of his educated followers :

"Man"
is made up of a body, fluids, and a soul.

Incidentally, in Arabic, "Soul" and "Spirit" are interchangeable.

In other words, we use the same word for "Soul" and "Spirit".

For the purposes of this presentation, I will (dare and) assume that what is meant here is "Soul".

OK, so "Man" is made of a body (singular), fluids (plural), and a soul (singular).

Remember the antidote to insomnia (my preamble) above?
Good, because we're about to add a slightly higher level of difficulty:

The (human) body itself is made up of fluids — formal, generic fluids found in "nature" (which, is also made of fluids...)
Let's use some analogies: Imagine a honey comb. The honey the bees produces varies in taste based on what flowers they eat from. However, they all make the same kind of wax.

Or, imagine two computers using the same parts, yet, are different in the sense that they are run by two different operating systems. Think "Software" versus "Hardware." Better yet, imagine all the computers of the world use the same type of metal frame...
Hence, in the Universe, there exists generic building blocks in the same fashion we have generic bricks and mortar that can either go into the construction of a palace or electrical room.

Enter the SPIRITUAL fluids (a step above the GENERIC fluids), and these are (technically speaking) the SOFTWARE that makeup the essence of the human self.

As for the SOUL, ah... well, it is a Divine and Pure essence that is not bound by the natural laws, and resides in the community (or society) of Spirits (again, in Arabic, we use the same word for both. So, I am going to go out on a limb and say that "The Soul resides in the community of Spirits").

As I have explained: In the book that Doctor Dahesh gave me, and not unless I am mistaken, only the word "روح" was used when referring to either the "soul" and the "spirit."

Now, let's read what Dr. Brax wrote (and I gather this was translated from Arabic) and I have highlighted the part in question in section 8 from Part 2 :

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8 - The Spirit and the Soul:

The Fluids - whether they are in men or in beings other than men, living in the paradisaical or infernal material worlds - are different from the Spirits. For, the Spirits are divine beings that do not commingle with bodies, and are unblemished by any material condensation, since matter is a contingent resulting from imperfection and defilement; whereas the Spirits' habitat is the world of perfection.

Each Spirit is Mother-Origin to many Fluids emanating from it; and these Fluids exist in incarnations that differ in the degrees of their spiritual elevation; they are dispersed in various worlds of Paradise and Hell, and are connected to their Mother-Origin by imperceptible radiating ties.

The degree of the Spirit in its world is affected by the degrees of its Fluids that are scattered in the expanses of the universe. The more purified Fluids it is able to regain, the higher the degree of elevation it would reach.

The Greatest aim of the Spirit is to be reunited with its divine origin (The Creator-Power). However it can never achieve that unless it has already regained all of its Fluids, had been first united with the Divine Power of "Christ", and has reached the highest degree of the Heavens.

And as every Spirit longs to return to its Father-Creator, so too every elevated Fluid, whether in humans or in any other beings, cannot escape feeling the longing to return to its Mother-Spirit; for solely through this return is its true salvation and happiness.

As for the soul of the human, it is nothing else than the ensemble of his vital Fluids.

And within each soul, every Fluid has its own peculiar activity, which could be independent from the activities of all the other Fluids within the oneness of the human personality, or could be in some sort of a harmony with them. This reality is reflected in the individual's desires and motivations that are sometimes conflictive, and some other times coordinative, as in his thoughts that are sometimes discordant, and some other times concordant. And in view of this fact, it is justifiable to say that the human personality is composed of an ensemble of partial personalities, which are the Fluids, and at the same time, it is part of a more inclusive spiritual entity, whose Fluids are dispersed in the expanses of this universe in both its Paradise and Hell, and whose brother-parts are linked to the Mother-Spirit.


Dr. Ghazi Brax
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So, Dr. Brax writes (as per the English translation) that the soul is merely the "ensemble" of a person's "vital fluids."

In Daheshist terminology, and based on further research into this matter, that "ensemble" of a person's "vital fluids" is called (in Arabic):"نفس" (pronounced "Nafss")

Now, parallel to that, the book that Doctor Dahesh gave me (authored by Loutfy Radwaan) uses "روح" (Rooh) to denote what Brax seems to refer to as "soul." In other words, he should have used the word "نفس" instead of "روح". But, as I explained, in the dictionary, both are interchangeable.

However in the context of Daheshism, Lootfy Radwaan could have been saying:

" 'Man' is made up of a SOUL and A SPIRIT. "

Being that SOUL= "The Ensemble of a Man's Vital Spiritual Fluids" and the use of the word "SPIRIT" would in fact be reserved to describing "the Divine and Pure essence that is not bound by the natural laws, and resides in the community (or society) of Spirits ..."

And, we would have a distinction between the SPIRITS and their MOTHER-SPIRIT (which I referred to as SOUL, being that, once again, Radwaan used the same word to denote SOUL and SPIRIT.
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