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Old 05-11-2007, 01:54 PM
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wow... let me try to put this in perspective for those of you trying to keep score at home:

This is a real life situation being played out in real time by real people that we love and care about. These are friends and family members that have had a long standing personal and (former) business relationship together...now they are being torn apart...and we care.

We all live in different states here in the U.S. and some even in different countries. We come here publicly and privately on Daheshville to discuss what is going on in our lives and what we are dealing with in the many facets within our lives.

None of us are in to 'exposing' the goings on of personal matters; we are not about any of that; although at times I know it appears things may be coming close. In fact, we have gone to great lengths to defend and protect innocent parties (identities and lives) that have been openly attacked (threatened or harassed) both here on line, as well as out in the 'real' world. I want to be clear with all of you reading this, and to the best of my ability to explain all this, why this discussion is being talked about so openly here in Daheshville.

Firstly, we have not named the primary player(s) in this sad saga. There are two sides (sometimes more, sometimes less) to every story and as such all involved parties are always welcomed (and encouraged) to participate here.

Much like in a sexual harassment suit, the principal offending parties have been in a position of power and the offended parties have been perpetually subjugated. That is number two.

Thirdly, the offending party has not only abused his 'power' in a business setting, he has now used his belief as a Daheshist and his vision of his 'mission' of spreading Daheshism to control and manipulate and ultimately emotionally destroy another and their family. He has invoked that he knows the wishes of Dr. Dahesh and that he knows what the Dr. would approve of or not approve of relative to someone else's life. This is a total emotional play for trying to control and manipulate the will and life of another...of the lowest order. The control this person has attempted to exert over another has hurt and pained and torn apart the wonderful life and family of the offended party.

The hurt he has served to others is all under his guise of 'this is righteous and in the name of helping my mission'!

This is wrong! THIS IS WRONG! And this is the very essence of what these ongoing threads are about. Daheshism is not a mission of controlling people, or subjugating people, or using one person's 'vision' to control another. There are not people here 'in the know' that have powers and visions that we should aspire to helping and subjugating ourselves to. NOT AT ALL!

I admire someone that has great aspirations for Daheshism... but only to a point. I can respect the new and somewhat over the top enthusiasm of someone's excitement for what they have newly discovered for themselves in Daheshism. I was probably much like this many years ago as I started to discover for myself the significance for me and my life in Daheshism. However, we are not SELLING Daheshism here! We are not proselytizing... we are not a cloistered cult! We do not invoke the name of Dr. Dahesh to control others... to get them to do our bidding... If one thinks they are doing good and proper work and at the same time need to exert their will (under whatever guise) over others... then they are WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! I cannot be more clear on this.

Finally, regarding the person we are speaking about here, most importantly.... HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER! But alas, he does not. He is blinded by his 'duty'... this is fanaticism... this is wrong. We do not use what we know for our own bidding at the expense of others for 'their own good'. Ever.

Look people, Daheshism will 'spread'... with us, without us, in spite of us. We cannot stop it, we cannot make it something it is not. In fact, I do not even like the term or the notion that any of us 'spread' Daheshism at all. At best, what ANY of us can do, is fan the perpetual flame that is always burning. We are NOT THE SELLERS OR PURVEYORS of Daheshism. Daheshism frankly, does not NEED any of us... Daheshism is a blessing, a body of information that is FOR us. Not one of us owns the market on what Daheshism is now, nor what it will become. Not one of us, not a group of us, not ever.

However, are there parts that we can play? Yes! Absolutely! But the parts we play are for our own benefit...our own personal spiritual benefit... AND if only our intentions are, well, I will use the word 'pure'. Life is a system of merit. Not merit based just upon actions, but merit based upon the deepest subtleties of our innermost heartfelt intentions relative TO those actions. EVERYTHING counts! Apparent 'good deeds' without the proper, honest intent fall fallow.

This is what saddens me as I watch people I care about being hurt. Some of these people I have met, some I have known 20+ years, some I have never met. Some I love and care about through only talking to them here on Daheshville; some I only know through others that I deeply care about. These are the kinds of things that go on in real families... and each event is a sad one. I pray from my heart of hearts that there is healing and forgiveness all around... and understanding, and HARMONY, and UNITY. I hope we all can find compassion within ourselves... I hope the hurt can heal. The world is a pretty big sandbox... I trust we can all find a way to play nicely together.

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Old 05-11-2007, 06:52 PM
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This is what saddens me as I watch people I care about being hurt. Some of these people I have met, some I have known 20+ years, some I have never met. Some I love and care about through only talking to them here on Daheshville; some I only know through others that I deeply care about. These are the kinds of things that go on in real families... and each event is a sad one. I pray from my heart of hearts that there is healing and forgiveness all around... and understanding, and HARMONY, and UNITY. I hope we all can find compassion within ourselves... I hope the hurt can heal. The world is a pretty big sandbox... I trust we can all find a way to play nicely together.
Thank you so much for your beautiful words David ... you left me extremely touched and inspired ... Daheshville offers us the incredible privilege to live these kinds of rare and precious moments ... and to feel so many emotions...

We sometimes feel that being where we are, which is 7 years after "The Letter that shook the Daheshist World" (http://www.daheshville.com/forum/showthread.php?t=270), things are not getting any better ... and certain issues evoked in that letter seem to be chillingly prophetic!

It is probably time to appeal to Public Opinion because after all, as you said, Daheshism does not belong to any particular group, it belongs to everyone...

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Old 05-12-2007, 06:49 AM
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I know he also evoked things such as, and I paraphrase, "the Doctor would never accept that a man and woman live apart while married..."

What about fishermen... People who are in the army... People who live in submarines... I've seen many MARRIED Daheshists come the USA and LIVE with the Doctor, AWAY from their families, for LONG periods of time.
I have to admit that I personally like 'the bohemian artistic style of life' and I would never see myself imprisoned because of social conveniences or because of any kind of human hypocritical rules ...

Of course, I may appear quite unconventional but that does not mean I do not have moral values ...

I consider myself to be Daheshist from my youngest age.
I was 9 year old when I first met The Doctor and more than 32 years later ... I think I may have something to say about my life, my faith and my experiences ...

When a Daheshist man has the nerve to write to his fiancé - whom was supposed to be his 'spiritual wife' :

"...as long as I am alive, you are with me under one roof ...'

I think we are retrograding to the Middle Ages !

I personally do not think that living with your husband under the same roof is the most important thing...

Life is sometimes complicated and there are many circumstances that force you to make sacrifices and be separated from The One you love ... yes, this is hard but when you do love someone, nothing can really separate you from him/her ...

I personnally think that there is a problem when a man wants his wife with him - no matter what could be her own wishes - just because he is 'The husband' who would also use 'Biblical Laws' to justify that his vision is The Truth, and that he has rights on her wife ... I think this is manipulative and hypocritical ...

When someone is mixing 'ideas of respectability' with marriage and uses it to gain social standing ... to look 'normal' and to have 'a normal life' ... from my Daheshist understanding of things, I think I am hallucinating.

You cannot build anything upon the ruins of others ...
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Old 05-12-2007, 09:43 AM
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Since this HAS become a soap opera (minus the commercials) let's go all the way:

I feel responsible.

I believed him when, for years, he gave me the impression he was NOT like that. Seriously, why on Earth would I even say all the great things about him (and I meant every word) which lead to him, finally, FINALLY, to find (according to him) his "Soul Mate."

But then... wow... talk about a transformation. But, by then it was too late.

And, hadn't she begged me to talk sense into him that evening regarding his lunch with the woman whose name rhymes with "dawn"...

You know, this reminds me of that book "Daheshism and the Journey of Life."

The first three chapters, the author sets a tone of open-mindedness then, POW, just as he has gained your trust and you've let down your guard, he switches masks and ... even attacks modern music (which I ALWAYS felt was hyprocritical since he, himself, THAT author, whom YOU also met in person Sandrine, LOVES DISCO MUSIC in addition to classical music! OK, his reasoning is that Disco is "very classical"... Hey, whatever floats your boat, but don't you dare go knocking down modern music in writing when you, yourself, love Dicso Music!)

Nothing rubs the wrong way like someone who does things JUST so that they later say "Hey, I did my duty." Like this time our friend "O'TOOL" sent a message of sympathy to a Daheshist Brother who lost his sister in a terrible helicopter crash.

Once he sent the email he said "OK, I've done my duty."

He had zero respect or love for the guy. He even told me that the guy (A Doctor in Education and Professor at Columbia University no Less) once called his mother while being drunk and said all sorts of lude things...

Then again, his mother once totally acted as if I wasn't in front of her when I once ran into her in the clinic's waiting room (we lived in the same town).
I swear, I went up to her and said "Hello Mrs. so an so "

She turned her face around... I had to ask the nurse to let me out of the "exit" door so that I wouldn't run into her again.

And, what thanks do I get for having helped her son find his sould mate?

The first thing out of her mouth when she meets the Daheshist Woman are words against me... ? At least the woman had the courage to politely put a stop to it.

Maybe she imagined I called her as well... Like her son imagined I wanted to do a calendar of naked women for the business...

I swear... Some people are so sure of themselves that they instill doubt in you. I even called my photographer, a woman I've been working with for 10 years, and the Academic Dean of a photography school and I said to her... "is it possible that I might have seriously suggested something like that?" she said "NO"... I was still doubting myself, so I called my former Agent, and asked him "Sid, is it possible that I might have said that?"

Sid said: "Well, he called YOU a pornographer in front of me" (in fact, he used to say that to me often...jokingly of course... )

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Old 05-12-2007, 11:06 AM
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Oh, and years ago, we DID have a simpler version of Daheshville.

It took a lot of energy to convince one particular Daheshist sister—who had just survived a traumatic experience—to participate. And she did.

You might remember that I said earlier I worked hard to get "O'Tool" involved in Dahesh.org.

Well, he did. Finally.

The sister asks an innocent question (I have the archives, but I will paraphrase) "how about we each discuss how we became Daheshists" and her tone was nauseatingly sweet... but... remember, she was recovering emotionally... Everything was fine until "O'Tool" spoke...he gives a lecture about what she should and should not say... He, who has WRITTEN that he was a Daheshist, and PUBLISHED an article he had ASKED ME to write about HOW I BECAME A DAHESHIST.. was lecturing the Sister that she should not ask such questions...

Now... Granted... the sister should not have reacted the way she did. It was nasty... But, SHE APOLOGIZED in the end. But the then Daheshville was destroyed... O tool proved that Daheshville would never work... He never apologized.

Oh, you might be interested to know that he proposed to HER a few years back...He barely knew her and she of course declined politely. I know, because he asked me to approach her in 1995 and ask her hand in marriage for him...

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Old 05-12-2007, 05:15 PM
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Mario...this just shows that to make a community successful, it is necessary for humanity, as in HUMANE-ness to be integral to the program. None of us can dictate how someone is or is not to ask the questions that are on their minds or in their hearts. No one can dictate how one's journey and personal quest is to take shape. We should only intervene when there is a question of decorum or when someone is exerting their power (emotional or physical) over another. This is not even about Daheshism...this is about basic human decency and basic human rights.

Daheshism and Daheshville is not about the will of one person...however 'well intentioned' that one person may be. Daheshville is very organic and amorphic and ever changing, ever growing. It moves with our lives, with our questions, our interactions. It takes shape with the different people that come and go and participate. This is its inherent beauty.
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You know, I feel a great pain in my heart because there is so much suffering that could have been avoided...

How beautiful ALL this could be and for ALL OF US ... If we could simply carry each other ...

Thank you my Dearest Brothers for your poignant words and a very special thought for our Sister who is hurting ... Thanks to the presence of each one of you I am sure that everything is going to be all right ...

It is a blessing to have all of you in my life...

With all my love,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq4Jh39KJ8U

U2 - ONE ... !!!

Is it getting better
Or do you feel the same
Will it make it easier on you now
You got someone to blame
You say...

One love
One life
When it's one need
In the night
One love
We get to share it
Leaves you baby if you
Don't care for it

Did I disappoint you
Or leave a bad taste in your mouth
You act like you never had love
And you want me to go without
Well it's...

Too late
Tonight
To drag the past out into the light
We're one, but we're not the same
We get to
Carry each other
Carry each other
One...

Have you come here for forgiveness
Have you come to raise the dead
Have you come here to play Jesus
To the lepers in your head

Did I ask too much
More than a lot
You gave me nothing
Now it's all I got
We're one
But we're not the same
Well we
Hurt each other
Then we do it again
You say
Love is a temple
Love a higher law
Love is a temple
Love the higher law
You ask me to enter
But then you make me crawl
And I can't be holding on
To what you got
When all you got is hurt

One love
One blood
One life
You got to do what you should
One life
With each other
Sisters
Brothers
One life
But we're not the same
We get to
Carry each other
Carry each other

One...life

One
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